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Cree
assistant gardener
Australia
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 Posted - 20/11/2008 : 19:45:54
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TasV
assistant gardener
Australia
157 Posts |
Posted - 20/11/2008 : 21:08:46
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| This must be a very variable tea... the pics on HMF all look different! Yours has nice blending of different pinks... Got any full plant photos of it? Do you grow all your teas on their own roots? |
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Pamela
head gardener
Australia
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Posted - 21/11/2008 : 07:06:09
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There are a few roses with Maman Cochet in the name - am I correct Cree? But maybe that is not the reason for the variability.
Mamon Cochet
White Mamon Cochet
Climbing White Mamon Cochet
I have the latter and it is still a spindly runt of a plant less than 40 cm tall and so I pruned the lemon tree near it savagely to let it get up there into the sun but still spindly. Maybe I will go and put some manure on it today. A lot of things take a loooooong time to get going in my soil here - which is clay based but rich in parts - but they are good once they get going finally.
"The air of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." |
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Cree
assistant gardener
Australia
76 Posts |
Posted - 21/11/2008 : 11:26:18
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Hi Pam,
Many of the tea roses change colours and even petal count. Many will get darker when it is warmer. Mrs Dudley Cross is a good example, she is cream in winter, flushed pink over soft yellow in spring and all pink in summer.
Maman Cochet has sported more than a few times, red several times (BL Jane Isobel Linton is thougth to be a red sport), darker pink, white blushed pink and so on, she also has been used in breeding a lot, hence why there are so many roses with her name attached.
She should just take off, the climber is particulary robust. Maybe you just have a bad plant, but you know your soil. Do different root stocks do better than others?
Sorry Tasv but MC is just a baby, new this year so not much of a bush to take pic's of. She is a big'un about 2-3 meters tall and as wide when mature.
Marie Van Houtte is a parent of Maman Cochet. She will get much pinker in summer.
MME Lambard is the other parent
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Pamela
head gardener
Australia
3949 Posts |
Posted - 21/11/2008 : 11:41:57
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Glorious. I love these teas. I will have to poke around the Maman and give her a rich feed. Love Mme Lombard - she was one I lost in the drought here of 04 when we had a month of over 40 degree days.
My row of 5 Marie van Houtte are all getting ready for the next display and not a lot of flowers at the moment - maybe half a dozen on each bush which is a problem in that we are doing another wedding this weekend. But it is my business partner who has the gig this time with my support. So at 3 pm, when I have done all the usual weekend guest chores, I have to go and pick and I was hoping for some from Marie or Mrs BR Cant but this is their off time. This bride wants 8 dozen purple pink roses but we are learning to be a bit more circumspect as she is going to have to take some paler pink as well. My roses are Ok but nothing like the big flush of a few weeks ago but I will see what we have - but just as well it is not me on my own.
"The air of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." |
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TasV
assistant gardener
Australia
157 Posts |
Posted - 21/11/2008 : 15:34:08
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Really liking Marie Van Houtte too  I love the idea of the teas just going wild and forming these great mounds of roses that are near bullet proof and which live forever! Will see how Duchesse de Brabant (Comtesse de Labarathe... Cree where did you hear this is now its official title? HMF still lists the registered name as D de B?) goes down here in the cold before going for more though. Our garden zone here, near Devonport, is actually classified as being the same as Sydney so I can get away with growing a lot of things here that the rest of Tasmania can't. Our winters a pretty long and get down to -4 or -5 and we get moderately heavy frosts and the odd snowfall (nothing that actually touches the ground. It just swirls around in the air dissolving as it touches down), but our mid-summer temps are pretty mild too... 26 would be considered high though it does get to 30+ once or twice each summer. They seem like the perfect big garden rose. |
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Cree
assistant gardener
Australia
76 Posts |
Posted - 21/11/2008 : 19:09:19
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Hi Tasv,
I get colder than you, down to -7. I don't think it is the low temps in Tas that would be the problem, it is more the lack of heat and the shorter summer/hot season. But I am only guessing, and certainly could be very wrong. Mine seem to come into their own when it gets into the 30's and the other roses are getting the vapors.
Tea Roses, Old Roses for Warm Gardens book lists the correct name as Comtesse de Labarthe. If you don't have this book you may want to get it (even if you do not grow a lot of teas). It is wonderfully written, has the history of the rose in Australia and a wealth of information about Tea roses, which are the foundation of the modern HT's. The "Tea Bags" who have written this book, have done us very proud in Australia! This is the first quality text on Tea roses in a very very long time and is being well received world wide! Not to mention how envious they are of our wonderful collection of tea roses in Australia.
Here are some 2 year old... Teas Gone Wild!...LOL
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TasV
assistant gardener
Australia
157 Posts |
Posted - 22/11/2008 : 21:08:06
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I've seen the book around but can't justify the $$$ for it right now... Funny how I can always justify the $$$ to get another rose but can't for a book... even if it is a rose book  |
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