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TasV
assistant gardener
Australia
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 Posted - 24/10/2008 : 15:44:46
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I have a rose that has extremely fragrant trusses of small white flowers on long lax canes and I always pressumed it was R. multiflora. I found two pots in teh back of a nursery down here with two stems of very neglected roses with small white flowers on it so I grabbed them and put them in the ground and they have taken off growing to bushes three feet high and wide in a single season from two sticks... when I brought them home they were in the car on a warm day and by the time I got home the air in the car was so filled with sweet fruity fragrance that it was almost over-powering... and that was just 5-6 tiny little flowers. It's leaves, however, look a little rugose and it is thornless. There is fine burgundy coloured 'moss' on the new growth. The most amazing thing about this rose is the leaves are also fragrant. I think the official rose scent is called balsam but since I have never smelt balsam before I can't be certain. To me it reminds me of pine needles and I love it. I run my hand through the foliage and my hands end up smelling of its oil, and feeling a little sticky because the oil is produced in such profussion. This makes me doubt whether it is actually R. multiflora or not... so I was wondering if someone who knows they have a variety of R. multiflora can tell me whether its foliage is fragrant and can take a photo of its leaves and flower buds for me and post it here. My two are about to break into flower, with hundreds of tiny buds all over it, and will be covered in small white flowers in a week or so so I can post pics of the flowers then. I have pics of the foliage and buds now that I'll find later and put up.
Edit: forgot... have three shows to put on so won't be putting any pics up till Sunday
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Edited by - TasV on 28/10/2008 16:19:22 |
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TasV
assistant gardener
Australia
157 Posts |
Posted - 26/10/2008 : 23:04:56
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Here's the pics:
Will update when the buds open.
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Pamela
head gardener
Australia
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Posted - 27/10/2008 : 06:32:57
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Doesn't look like multiflora. Interesting. Would love to see its bloom. I lost my sense of smell almost completely due to a brain haemorrhage (after I had planned and planted some of my rose garden based on fragrance) but occasionally a smell will get in and there was one rose .. once ... with one bloom in the front of the car and I was in the back and it was like I remember smells of a rose but that rose was not obtainable being a "found" rose on a grave in Rookwood. I'd love to have a cutting or two of this in the winter and see if I can smell it and root it.
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Cree
assistant gardener
Australia
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Posted - 27/10/2008 : 18:05:48
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Pamela,
Keep that thought, I am working on it, might take a while.
Sorry Tasv, don't know what your roses is. The couple of mulitflora classed roses I have do not have that almost rugosa appearance of the leaves nor the fine prickles on the pedicels. It has a very attractive appearance! Please let us know if you find out and please post pic's when it blooms.
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TasV
assistant gardener
Australia
157 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2008 : 19:22:12
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Took some more pics today. First few flowers out. They are small (about 3cm across) so it was out with the macro lens.
Pamela... I have about 6 rooted cuttings of this. If you PM me your address I'll post a few out to you. I will be removing all the leaves so you will need to pot them up and watch them for a while (this is a practice used by nurseries sending roses down here to satisfy quarantine so I will use it going back too... ). |
Edited by - TasV on 02/11/2008 19:27:41 |
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Pamela
head gardener
Australia
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Posted - 02/11/2008 : 19:47:15
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I love it and would love to try a baby. I will PM you Simon.
"The air of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." |
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TasV
assistant gardener
Australia
157 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2008 : 21:00:14
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These are interesting photos. I took these with the macro on 1:1 this afternoon and look what I found! Those little red hairs are actually tiny glands out of which oozes oil ... which explains the lovely fragrance the new foliage has when you brush against it or crush it.
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Pamela
head gardener
Australia
3949 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2008 : 04:38:24
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What amazing photos and discovery Simon!! I have sent you a large postpak and would love a rooted cutting.
BTW how do you do your cuttings? I had some success this spring with winter cuttings but a lot of failure with all my scabrosa cuttings as I wanted to get this rose going down my driveway. I am about to throw out a whole large storage container with hundreds of failed cuttings - I think mine get fungal problems and so I am going to wash out this container with bleach in it and start again. This time I will place the porous pot in the middle and fill it with water and let osmosis do the watering. I tend to be a bit heavy handed with watering :-(
"The air of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." |
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TasV
assistant gardener
Australia
157 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2008 : 21:50:06
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This is the whole bush. Keep in mind that this time last year (almost exactly) this bush was a single twig about 30cm long and about half as thick as a pencil.
No special treatment is given to strike this rose. Any old bit is put into any pot of anything I have and they just strike... no hormone... no cover... just stuck out the open. Reckon these would strike in a glass of water and make an excellent rootstck. The guys over on the Rose Hybridisers Association Forum have just positively IDed it as a variety of R. multiflora or something closely derived from it.
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Pamela
head gardener
Australia
3949 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2008 : 05:34:44
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If it strikes so easily it will probably sucker all over the place - which is fine as long as you plant it in an appropriate place that is self limiting. I have Roxburghii Plenae that is the biggest sucker of all time but glorious blooms so she is planted on a barren little bit of hillside with a path along one edge and just a large tree, a lime, an orange and a grape for Roxburghii to contend with. I imagine she will fill this small triangle about 20 x 10 x 10 metres but that will be lovely as she has such lovely blooms and also small leaves that are fern-like. As much of this as you want Simon although probably too hot now.
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TasV
assistant gardener
Australia
157 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2008 : 18:27:50
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| Well... I thought there were six cuttings... turns out there were four and they'd sent up little suckers! Oh well... They are bagged up and ready to go in tomorrow's mail. With any luck you should get them in a few days. I trimmed the tops off to fit in a cardboard tube so have put these in to re-strike as well... so in a few weeks... if anyone else wants a few let me know. They only take three weeks (tops) to strike. |
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Kitty74
assistant gardener
Australia
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Posted - 09/11/2008 : 18:43:53
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| Can't help with a name but it looks very similar to one we have with lilac coloured flowers - small buds all over and matt leaves. Ours was here when we moved but is very prone to pests and seems to sucker constantly. I think the flowers are lilac as none of them have opened yet - last year they were so covered with aphids they didn't open... grrr... wish i knew more and could help more! |
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TasV
assistant gardener
Australia
157 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2008 : 19:00:17
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Yours sounds like Rosa rugosa... the large purple/pink/lilac (sometimes white and red on some varieties... only one yellow one exists as far as I know) are single and quite large. My Rosa rugosa 'Scabrosa' has flowers about 15cm across. Took a photo of one today... I'll go download it and post it here. This one (the white one above) has been narrowed down to a variety of Rosa multiflora or a hybrid of it and is what I am going to use as my rootstocks for learning how to bud.
Scabrosa (a rugosa rose)
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Edited by - TasV on 09/11/2008 20:38:41 |
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The Estate
head gardener
Australia
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Posted - 09/11/2008 : 20:35:32
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 Tas (simon) just picked myself up from the floor(and not been drinking G T's) that is just 
My basic weeding rule: if they grow in rows they're flowers;
if they don't they're weeds.
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TasV
assistant gardener
Australia
157 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2008 : 20:44:13
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Here you go Cheryl... just for you :)
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The Estate
head gardener
Australia
3676 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2008 : 20:46:11
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That was on display at the ROSE SHOW yesteday, but beautiful  and it won a blue ribon I thinks 
My basic weeding rule: if they grow in rows they're flowers;
if they don't they're weeds.
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